「やらないよりはマシ!」菅野智之がロッキーズと契約、クアーズフィールドでの挑戦(海外の反応)

菅野智之がロッキーズと契約、クアーズフィールドでの挑戦(海外の反応)
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And you thought he had a HR problem LAST year…
去年のHR問題がまだ序の口だったのな…
Camden yard HR park factor
2018: 116 / 2019: 122 / 2021: 139 (Moves the wall back) / 2022: 82 / 2023: 91 / 2024: 104 (Moves the wall forward) / 2025: 121 (Sugano pitched here)
Compare this to Coors HR factor of 108 from 2020~2022 and 106 from 2023~2025.
Common misconception about Coors is that it is extreme HR friendly. It is an extreme hitter friendly park, but the main mechanism is through much more singles and doubles than more HRs.
カムデンヤードのHRパークファクター:壁を戻した後2022年82、2023年91、2024年104、壁を前にして2025年は121(菅野が投げた)。クアーズは2020〜22年108、2023〜25年106。クアーズがHR特化ってのは誤解。打者有利な球場だが、主な要因はHRよりシングルとツーベースの増加
Yeah the outfield being huge, pitches not breaking the same, and the thin air is a recipe for tons of hits but shorter fences have more of a HR impact than the thin air.
外野が広い上に球が曲がりにくいし空気が薄い→ヒット量産。でもフェンスが短い方がHRへの影響は大きい
Also triples. the OF is huge
三塁打も多い。外野がデカいから
Yeah this seems… questionable
うーん…どうなのこれ
They ain’t winning games no matter what and somebody’s gotta eat those innings. Good tank commander acquisition.
どうせ勝てないし、誰かがイニング消化しないと。タンク司令官としては良い補強
Lol when was the last time the Rockies did something not questionable
ロッキーズが疑問なしの補強したのいつだっけw
Gonna cash his check and dip back to Japan after this
給料貰って日本に帰るんだろ
gave up a lot of home runs in 2025. but it’s interesting this is the 2nd guy the rockies have signed (Lorenzen was 1st) who throws 6 or more pitches. seems like they’re following a similar strategy to the Royals, where you go after a pitcher who can throw a a bunch of different pitch types in any count to keep hitters guessing. Coors Field suppresses stuff, especially high spin stuff like sliders and four seamers. so going after pitchers with wide arsenals and decent command is a valid strategy. we’ll see if it works out.
2025年はHR多かった。でもロッキーズが獲った2人目(1人目はローレンゼン)が6球種以上投げるのが興味深い。ロイヤルズみたいに、色々な球種をあらゆる球数で投げて打者を迷わせる投手を狙う戦略っぽい。クアーズは球威を殺す、特にスライダーや4シームみたいな高スピン系。球種豊富で制球がまあまあな投手を狙うのは筋が通ってる。どうなるか見もの
Huh that’s really interesting. I bet they’ve been in on Bassitt then, he’s the best available pitcher with that exact archetype but I think he really wants to win a world series and he’s 37 later this month
面白いな。バシットも狙ってたはず。そのタイプで最高のフリーエージェントだけど、ワールドシリーズ勝ちたいのに今月37歳だし
yeah I could see them keeping tabs on Bassitt, and I agree he should be getting enough attention from contenders that he wouldn’t sign with Colorado. i was gonna say they should be kicking the tires on Civale but it looks like he just signed with the A’s
バシットはチェックしてたと思う。優勝争いしてる球団から十分オファーあるはずで、コロラドには来ない。シバーレに連絡すべきって言おうとしたら、アスレチックスと契約したらしい
That’s the crazy thing about coors. Balls travel further and pitchers have a harder time getting stuff to spin. Just a double wammy.
クアーズのキツイところ。球が飛ぶし回転もかけにくい。二重苦だ
It still spins here, just doesn’t move as much. I have a feeling they’re going to have a lot of guys who can throw a splitter and have good change ups, those pitches seem to be less affected by the altitude.
回転はするけど曲がりが弱い。スプリッターとチェンジアップが効く投手を集める気がする。標高の影響を受けにくいらしい
it totally sucks for pitchers. they need a strong offense. real gritty, strong bat to ball types. i really hope the new FO starts drafting those types. no more Charlie Condons and Ethan Hollidays (who, admittedly, could very well pan out BUT their hit tools are universally graded as weak)
投手には地獄。強い打線が必要。バットでしっかり当てるタイプ。新フロントはそういうのをドラフトしてほしい。チャーリー・コンドンやイーサン・ホリデーみたいなのはもういい(打撃能力は弱い評価だし)
By the “stuff breaks less” logic, doesn’t that mean a multi-tooled pitcher is a weaker option than a power pitcher? *All* of his pitches will break less with a lower spin rate so trickery will be weaker over all.
「球が曲がりにくい」なら、多彩な投手よりパワーピッチャーの方が不利じゃない?全球種が回転減で曲がらなくなるから、変化球のトリックは全部弱くなる
When I think of a true power pitcher, I think of a guy like Tyler Glasnow who has two awesome pitches, his fastball and curveball. his stuff either goes up (4SM) or it goes down (CB). a guy who covers all kinds of movement, vertical and lateral, can keep a hitter a little more off balance. but I do agree that if you have fringe stuff the margin for error is really small. even smaller at altitude.
真のパワーピッチャーってグラスノウみたいに2球種が超強いタイプ。4シームは上がる、カーブは落ちる。上下左右あらゆる動きをカバーできる投手は打者を迷わせやすい。ただ球威がギリギリなら誤差の余裕が小さく、標高でさらにキツくなるのは同意
He’s kind of a fun pitcher to watch, an easy guy to root for.
見てて楽しい投手だし、応援しやすい
Yeah he’s a big “what if” guy for me if he came over earlier. Crazy to go from being baseball royalty your whole life in Japan to a back end guy in Coors. Gotta respect it.
もっと早く来てたら「もし」が大きい。日本で球界の王族扱いだったのに、クアーズのローテ末端で黙々投げる。敬意を払う
I’ve always gotten the feeling this is like a paid American vacation for him
有給のアメリカ旅行みたいな感じだと思ってた
Perhaps him and Senzatella can compete for the highest ERA this season?
彼とセンザテラで今季最高防御率争いする?
Dollander’s got youth on his side
ドランダーは若さがある
Him at coors field is disaster waiting to happen
クアーズで投げるのは災害待ちだ
They’re trying!
努力してる!
To test the theory of how many HRs one pitcher can give up at Coors?
クアーズで1投手が何本HR打たれるか実験するの?
Something is something!
やらないよりマシ!
Buckle in. Rocktober incoming
シートベルトしろ。ロックトーバーが来る
Rockies got their guy
ロッキーズ、欲しい人獲ったな
Sugano had a 1.89 HR/9 last year, which ranked dead last in the AL (min. 100 IP). Coors is gonna be a rough park for him.
菅野は去年HR/9が1.89でAL最下位(100イニング以上)。クアーズはキツい球場だ
Nah. This will be his breakout season. He will become deathly ill after eating raw shellfish and after an extended hospital stay, will experience an epiphany and will figure out pitching at Coors Field. 230 IP, 2.2 ERA, 180+ K’s, 18 Wins. You’ll see.
いや、これが爆発の年だ。生貝を食って重症入院し、退院後に悟りを開いてクアーズ攻略法を会得する。230イニング、防御率2.2、180K超、18勝。見てろ
You mean after eating raw rocky mountain oysters.
生のロッキーマウンテンオイスター(睾丸)食ってからだろ
You missed something. Cy Young winner.
忘れてる。サイ・ヤング賞だ
Yep, I totally get the Rockies needing pitching and they’ve made solid moves getting Willi Castro, Lorenzen, McCarthy but this one reads as a disaster
ロッキーズが投手必要は分かる。カストロ、ローレンゼン、マッカーシーは良い補強。でもこれは災害予感
He has a great altitude pitch with his splitter and he can eat innings for a year while young guys stay in the minors and develop, I don’t hate this move, we’re trying!
スプリッターが標高に強いし、若手がマイナーで育つ間の1年イニング消化できる。この補強嫌いじゃない。やる気はある!
Zack Hample purchasing Rockies season tickets as we speak
ザック・ハンプルが今ロッキーズのシーズンチケット買ってる
I would’ve gone back to NPB over settling for pitching in Coors
俺ならクアーズで投げるよりNPBに帰る
It’s probably a lot less money.
NPBの方が金少ないんだろ
GL Sugano
頑張れ菅野
He does claim he learned what he was doing wrong last year, but Colorado? Yikes. Hope it works out for him.
去年の課題は分かったって言ってるけど、コロラド?うわ…うまくいくといいな
I was honestly hoping the White Sox would sign him, that would have been a good fit, or the Giants due to the lack of home runs there
正直ホワイトソックスかジャイアンツが獲ってほしかった。HR少ないから相性良さそうだったのに
I thought he had a solid chance to improve this year. I no longer think that. I hope he beats the odds, but that’s the absolute worst place for him.
今年巻き返せると思ってた。もう思わない。逆転してほしいけど、彼にとって最悪の場所だ
Sugano might have a double digit ERA in Coors. This seems like somehow one of the worst possible pitching signings for them
クアーズでは防御率2桁もありえる。ロッキーズにとっちゃ最悪級の投手補強かも
oh dear, I’m so so so sorry for you Sugano. dear lord that HR rate is gonna skyrocket
菅野さんごめん…神様、HR率が爆上がりするぞ
He seemed more like an Angels signing. This is going to be brutal. Doesn’t miss many bats.
エンゼルス向きだったのに。地獄だ。空振り取れないし
Dodgers move over, Rockies are here
ドジャースどいて、ロッキーズが来た
Damn. Loved seeing Judge beat up on him last season
去年ジャッジにボコられてるの見るの好きだったんだよね
Lmfao he’s going to get lit up and it isn’t even funny. All that talk about the Orioles wowing Sugano with their pitching philosophy and his certainty that his stuff would get MLB hitters out is now going to be put to the ultimate test. Sir get ready to learn Denvernese.
ボコられるぞ、笑えない。オリオールズの投球哲学で菅野を感動させたとか、自分の球でMLB打者を抑えられると確信してたとか、全部これで試される。デンバー語を習う準備をしろ
Big Sug Candy Mountain
ビッグ・菅・キャンディマウンテン
That should help his stats…
そのおかげで成績が…
He’ll be facing more of his NPB brethren in the NL west this way
NL西地区だとNPB仲間と対戦増えるね
Good, happy for him.
良かった、嬉しい
kris bryant to the 60 as a corresponding move 😭😭 man I finally thought this was the year he was gonna play 150-160 games 😭
対応 moveでクリス・ブライアントが60日IL😭😭 やっと150〜160試合出る年かと思ったのに😭
What can I say? I know the numbers weren’t there, but l liked the guy in Baltimore.
数字は良くなかったけど、ボルチモアでは好きだった
55 wins never tasted so good (and no, we are not getting past the DS, if we even get there, thanks for asking)
55勝の味は最高(DS突破?そこまで行けたらだけど、無理だよ、聞かないで)
Damn, poor guy.
可哀想に
I honestly don’t know about this signing. Sugano couldn’t suppress the home run ball, couldn’t miss bats, and gave up a lot of hard contact in the form of barrels. His only reds on Savant are his offspeeds, which should do alright in Coors, and his walk rate, which was elite. He has a wide arsenal but a lot of those pitches are breaking stuff (splitter, sweeper, slider). Maybe I’m wrong though.
この契約は正直分からない。菅野はHR抑えられなかったし空振りも取れなかったしバレルで強打されまくった。セイバンの赤いところはオフスピード(クアーズではまだマシかも)と、エリート級の与四球率だけ。球種は多いけど多くが breaking ball(スプリッター、スウィーパー、スライダー)。俺が間違ってるかも
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